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	<title>Comments on: YouTube Thumbnail Isn&#8217;t Center Frame Anymore</title>
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		<title>By: Eddie Smith</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-471062</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the deal with thumbnail for non-partners? I&#039;ve tried the &quot;center&quot; thing and it&#039;s not working.  I really need a good thumbnail to attract viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the deal with thumbnail for non-partners? I&#8217;ve tried the &#8220;center&#8221; thing and it&#8217;s not working.  I really need a good thumbnail to attract viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: RIP Thumbnail Cheaters &#187; Viral Video Wannabe</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-32864</link>
		<dc:creator>RIP Thumbnail Cheaters &#187; Viral Video Wannabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to YouTube’s blog post this morning, thumbnail cheating is now officially a thing of the past. I’d noticed a few months ago that the center thumbnail image wasn’t working consistently on my latest videos, and others had noticed this as well. Nalts even blogged about my tip. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to YouTube’s blog post this morning, thumbnail cheating is now officially a thing of the past. I’d noticed a few months ago that the center thumbnail image wasn’t working consistently on my latest videos, and others had noticed this as well. Nalts even blogged about my tip. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: somecallmejim</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18795</link>
		<dc:creator>somecallmejim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark8t:

The problem with the video you guys put together was that each image was on the screen for between 4 and 8 seconds. that&#039;s something like 120-240 frames per image. I&#039;d bet that if you created that same video, except using 1/2 second clips right at the key moments, YouTube would totally miss them. Just look at the video attached to my name above this. I have a universal time code display on there, and the &quot;center&quot; frame, the one your tool says should be at 5 seconds even, is at 3 seconds and change.

There was a time when you could literally plan your thumbnail out to the frame. If you had a 5010 frame long video (2:47 long), that frame 2505 was going to be the one used. Apparently now, on that same video, it could be give or take a good 35 frames or so.

Yeah, you can still work with this, but it means that you won&#039;t know *Exactly* where that keyframe will be. If you&#039;ve got a video in motion, 35 frames each way is over two seconds. A lot can happen in two seconds.

Anyway, I read your post, and I liked it, but I think the reality is that at least for now, YouTube is no longer using the center frame of your video, and instead using the closest snap point to that center frame. The formula seems to be that they set one of these snap points every one second, 29 frames in a video, so I suppose if you divide your video into 59 frame increments, and then pick the closest one to the actual center, you could still set the thumbnail exactly, but that sounds like a lot of work.

Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark8t:</p>
<p>The problem with the video you guys put together was that each image was on the screen for between 4 and 8 seconds. that&#8217;s something like 120-240 frames per image. I&#8217;d bet that if you created that same video, except using 1/2 second clips right at the key moments, YouTube would totally miss them. Just look at the video attached to my name above this. I have a universal time code display on there, and the &#8220;center&#8221; frame, the one your tool says should be at 5 seconds even, is at 3 seconds and change.</p>
<p>There was a time when you could literally plan your thumbnail out to the frame. If you had a 5010 frame long video (2:47 long), that frame 2505 was going to be the one used. Apparently now, on that same video, it could be give or take a good 35 frames or so.</p>
<p>Yeah, you can still work with this, but it means that you won&#8217;t know *Exactly* where that keyframe will be. If you&#8217;ve got a video in motion, 35 frames each way is over two seconds. A lot can happen in two seconds.</p>
<p>Anyway, I read your post, and I liked it, but I think the reality is that at least for now, YouTube is no longer using the center frame of your video, and instead using the closest snap point to that center frame. The formula seems to be that they set one of these snap points every one second, 29 frames in a video, so I suppose if you divide your video into 59 frame increments, and then pick the closest one to the actual center, you could still set the thumbnail exactly, but that sounds like a lot of work.</p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark8t</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18768</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark8t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Middle is still working for us, even as of today. We even wrote a post on it, and linked to this post as well to see if anyone see&#039;s something similiar changing. You can click the name to read about our experience...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Middle is still working for us, even as of today. We even wrote a post on it, and linked to this post as well to see if anyone see&#8217;s something similiar changing. You can click the name to read about our experience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: somecallmejim</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18727</link>
		<dc:creator>somecallmejim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had the same problem on a couple of my videos now, so I uploaded a test clip with SMPTE time code on it to see exactly where the clip&#039;s frames fell.

On my test clip, which is 10 seconds and 0 frames long, the thumbnails fell at 1 second 29 frames, 3 seconds 28 frames, and 5 seconds 27 frames.

If YouTube were on a 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 ratio, you should see thumbs at 2s15f,5s, and 7s15f.

If it was a 1/3, 1/2, 2/3 ratio, it would be more like 3s10f,5s, and 6s20f.

Obviously, the keyframes came nowhere near these. Interestingly enough though, the keyframes all coordinate to the keyframe &quot;drag points&quot; YouTube sets up. (You know, those parts of the clip the video snaps to when you drag the cursor across the timeline.)

My guess is that for some reason, YouTube is now associating these snap points as the thumbnail options.

You be the judge. The linkon my name goes to the clip. Check it out and see what I&#039;m talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had the same problem on a couple of my videos now, so I uploaded a test clip with SMPTE time code on it to see exactly where the clip&#8217;s frames fell.</p>
<p>On my test clip, which is 10 seconds and 0 frames long, the thumbnails fell at 1 second 29 frames, 3 seconds 28 frames, and 5 seconds 27 frames.</p>
<p>If YouTube were on a 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 ratio, you should see thumbs at 2s15f,5s, and 7s15f.</p>
<p>If it was a 1/3, 1/2, 2/3 ratio, it would be more like 3s10f,5s, and 6s20f.</p>
<p>Obviously, the keyframes came nowhere near these. Interestingly enough though, the keyframes all coordinate to the keyframe &#8220;drag points&#8221; YouTube sets up. (You know, those parts of the clip the video snaps to when you drag the cursor across the timeline.)</p>
<p>My guess is that for some reason, YouTube is now associating these snap points as the thumbnail options.</p>
<p>You be the judge. The linkon my name goes to the clip. Check it out and see what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: the Critic</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18718</link>
		<dc:creator>the Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that I deserved that!
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that I deserved that!<br />
 <img src='http://willvideoforfood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18716</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Critic, I hate to tell you this, but you spelled &quot;embarassment&quot; wrong.  

Sorry!  

Really, I am!  :)

PS: I have also looked at a post after clicking &quot;say it&quot; and wished I could get it back after noticing a typo.  I feel your pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Critic, I hate to tell you this, but you spelled &#8220;embarassment&#8221; wrong.  </p>
<p>Sorry!  </p>
<p>Really, I am!  <img src='http://willvideoforfood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS: I have also looked at a post after clicking &#8220;say it&#8221; and wished I could get it back after noticing a typo.  I feel your pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Nalts</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18715</link>
		<dc:creator>Nalts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG I need a plugin that lets you change your comments AND thread the discussion so you can reply to a reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG I need a plugin that lets you change your comments AND thread the discussion so you can reply to a reply.</p>
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		<title>By: the Critic</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18714</link>
		<dc:creator>the Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually I saw it after pressing the &quot;say it&quot; button, but wasn&#039;t able to change it after that...

Nalts there&#039;s this really cool WP Plugin that lets users edit their (see I get it, &quot;their&quot; not  &quot;there&quot;) comments - it&#039;s called something like &quot;Ajax Edit Comment&quot; or something. 

It might save Marilyn&#039;s nerves and my embarassement :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually I saw it after pressing the &#8220;say it&#8221; button, but wasn&#8217;t able to change it after that&#8230;</p>
<p>Nalts there&#8217;s this really cool WP Plugin that lets users edit their (see I get it, &#8220;their&#8221; not  &#8220;there&#8221;) comments &#8211; it&#8217;s called something like &#8220;Ajax Edit Comment&#8221; or something. </p>
<p>It might save Marilyn&#8217;s nerves and my embarassement <img src='http://willvideoforfood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: the Critic</title>
		<link>http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/08/05/youtube-thumbnail-isnt-center-frame-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-18713</link>
		<dc:creator>the Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Mom :-) aka Marilyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Mom <img src='http://willvideoforfood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  aka Marilyn</p>
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