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	<title>Comments on: The Advertising Agency&#8217;s Five Stages of &#8220;Online Video&#8221; Grief</title>
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		<title>By: Jessy Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessy Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nalts, you&#039;re right, you DO have a day job.  Splendid analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nalts, you&#8217;re right, you DO have a day job.  Splendid analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Nalts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nalts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow- best thread in a while. Slater- thanks for reminding me to check these.</description>
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		<title>By: marquisdejolie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marquisdejolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kevin....you&#039;re always going on about improving the quality of our amateur videos, but I can get 4 times the viewership on Youtube if I just post a stupid 20-second video response to one of your videos rather than spend 6 hours working on something thoughtful. Why should I bother? I&#039;ll just ride your coat tails. Keep up your quality, man, cause I need the views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kevin&#8230;.you&#8217;re always going on about improving the quality of our amateur videos, but I can get 4 times the viewership on Youtube if I just post a stupid 20-second video response to one of your videos rather than spend 6 hours working on something thoughtful. Why should I bother? I&#8217;ll just ride your coat tails. Keep up your quality, man, cause I need the views.</p>
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		<title>By: TET</title>
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		<dc:creator>TET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slater: &quot;Successful online marketing, at its core, is all about rewarding your current customers/advocates for telling an enthusiastic story to people who are enthusiastically listening. Just how big a reward depends on how good we tell the story.&quot;

That, to me, is one very good reason why employing a number of  amateur video producers with sizable audiences may be strategically sound. Quality over quantity. A smaller but more targeted audience may produce more conversions to sale than a widespread campaign over a more general audience where, maybe only a small percentage actually takes notice.

Advertisers should be taking notice of who is popular in online video as it relates to their market and maybe partnering with those people to access their audience. Not waiting for amateur, wanna be marketers to approach them with a concept.

Hence my statement that the future for amateur video creators is creating original content for micro audiences (and by micro I&#039;m talking in terms of thousands of viewers at minimum, with ten thousand plus possibly being very attractive to ad agencies).

With a Popular amateur producer and a sizable micro audience along with the right collection of highly relevant advertisers, that has to be a good marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slater: &#8220;Successful online marketing, at its core, is all about rewarding your current customers/advocates for telling an enthusiastic story to people who are enthusiastically listening. Just how big a reward depends on how good we tell the story.&#8221;</p>
<p>That, to me, is one very good reason why employing a number of  amateur video producers with sizable audiences may be strategically sound. Quality over quantity. A smaller but more targeted audience may produce more conversions to sale than a widespread campaign over a more general audience where, maybe only a small percentage actually takes notice.</p>
<p>Advertisers should be taking notice of who is popular in online video as it relates to their market and maybe partnering with those people to access their audience. Not waiting for amateur, wanna be marketers to approach them with a concept.</p>
<p>Hence my statement that the future for amateur video creators is creating original content for micro audiences (and by micro I&#8217;m talking in terms of thousands of viewers at minimum, with ten thousand plus possibly being very attractive to ad agencies).</p>
<p>With a Popular amateur producer and a sizable micro audience along with the right collection of highly relevant advertisers, that has to be a good marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: XLNTads Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nalts Share the Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>XLNTads Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nalts Share the Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a GREAT thread!  I appreciate all the different input!  Lots to think about here...

Nalts isn&#039;t the only one doing skits and selling stuff... But he is likely one of a very short list of creators who is, in fact, getting paid for it... But not for long. 

Chris:  &quot;We don’t trust amateur content and neither do our clients. No disrespect to any content producers reading this, but the quality of the majority of amateur productions sucks - in both concept and execution. Can we do better? Of course, we make TV glossy spots.&quot;

Does glossy = effective?  As an advertising guy who only fairly recently picked up a camera and started adding pictures to my work, one of my toughest challenges is deciding whether to a) produce an ad that works, or b) produce an ad the client likes.  Rarely are they ever the same thing.  I think that if the message is salient, the video will move the product... Quality of production can, I think, take a backseat to quality of message.  But while it can take a backseat, it shouldn&#039;t get out of the car altogether... which brings me to my next point:

Anyone who makes money doing this at any level is a professional by definition.  Whether you receive a case of free Mentos for your work, or you win $30K on XLNTADS, congrats.  You&#039;ve just done something marketable, and you now turn in your amateur standing.  Now, you can a) get better, and get paid more often, or b) keep it as a hobby, and let your videos work like scratch tickets:  &quot;Maybe once in awhile I&#039;ll win one.&quot;

To answer Chris&#039; concerns about cost vs. reach:  While amateur videos may &quot;look&quot; amateurish, those producers are telling a much more intense story to a very small niche of viewers.  Brands will get a higher return if I use a less professional looking video to enthusiastically tell my 20 closest friends to buy, than if your big budget production is broadcast on a medium they&#039;re not even watching.

Successful online marketing, at its core, is all about rewarding your current customers/advocates for telling an enthusiastic story to people who are enthusiastically listening.  Just how big a reward depends on how good we tell the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a GREAT thread!  I appreciate all the different input!  Lots to think about here&#8230;</p>
<p>Nalts isn&#8217;t the only one doing skits and selling stuff&#8230; But he is likely one of a very short list of creators who is, in fact, getting paid for it&#8230; But not for long. </p>
<p>Chris:  &#8220;We don’t trust amateur content and neither do our clients. No disrespect to any content producers reading this, but the quality of the majority of amateur productions sucks &#8211; in both concept and execution. Can we do better? Of course, we make TV glossy spots.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does glossy = effective?  As an advertising guy who only fairly recently picked up a camera and started adding pictures to my work, one of my toughest challenges is deciding whether to a) produce an ad that works, or b) produce an ad the client likes.  Rarely are they ever the same thing.  I think that if the message is salient, the video will move the product&#8230; Quality of production can, I think, take a backseat to quality of message.  But while it can take a backseat, it shouldn&#8217;t get out of the car altogether&#8230; which brings me to my next point:</p>
<p>Anyone who makes money doing this at any level is a professional by definition.  Whether you receive a case of free Mentos for your work, or you win $30K on XLNTADS, congrats.  You&#8217;ve just done something marketable, and you now turn in your amateur standing.  Now, you can a) get better, and get paid more often, or b) keep it as a hobby, and let your videos work like scratch tickets:  &#8220;Maybe once in awhile I&#8217;ll win one.&#8221;</p>
<p>To answer Chris&#8217; concerns about cost vs. reach:  While amateur videos may &#8220;look&#8221; amateurish, those producers are telling a much more intense story to a very small niche of viewers.  Brands will get a higher return if I use a less professional looking video to enthusiastically tell my 20 closest friends to buy, than if your big budget production is broadcast on a medium they&#8217;re not even watching.</p>
<p>Successful online marketing, at its core, is all about rewarding your current customers/advocates for telling an enthusiastic story to people who are enthusiastically listening.  Just how big a reward depends on how good we tell the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Marquisdejolie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marquisdejolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My impression was that someone WAS confusing slick and expensive production value with originality, but that was just my impression.

Hey, Kevin, jischinger has just handed you your next video idea! Make one about how you are THE ONLY Youtube doing skits and selling stuff on the UTube! THAT should get you lots of response! And maybe even industry queries. I&#039;d like to see what all climbs out of the woodwork to refute that ascertion. It&#039;d be fun to see what all is being sold under the radar on YT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My impression was that someone WAS confusing slick and expensive production value with originality, but that was just my impression.</p>
<p>Hey, Kevin, jischinger has just handed you your next video idea! Make one about how you are THE ONLY Youtube doing skits and selling stuff on the UTube! THAT should get you lots of response! And maybe even industry queries. I&#8217;d like to see what all climbs out of the woodwork to refute that ascertion. It&#8217;d be fun to see what all is being sold under the radar on YT.</p>
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		<title>By: jischinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>jischinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there is any confusion between proper camera equipment and content here. I think the question is how do you get the commercial industry to pay attention to people on Youtube and make the transition.

There&#039;s a lot that sucks on TV and on Youtube and there are some things on TV and Youtube that don&#039;t, but in terms of commercialization and selling a products good equipment makes a difference.

Is there anyone else from youtube doing skits and selling stuff besides Nalts? I don&#039;t know if Trippy counts yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any confusion between proper camera equipment and content here. I think the question is how do you get the commercial industry to pay attention to people on Youtube and make the transition.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot that sucks on TV and on Youtube and there are some things on TV and Youtube that don&#8217;t, but in terms of commercialization and selling a products good equipment makes a difference.</p>
<p>Is there anyone else from youtube doing skits and selling stuff besides Nalts? I don&#8217;t know if Trippy counts yet.</p>
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		<title>By: marquisdejolie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marquisdejolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not confuse quality of camera equipment with quality of content or originality. I see PUHlenty of &#039;professional&#039; TV commercials that suck eggs, puhlenty of &#039;professional&#039; stuff that is boring, lackluster and out of touch with anyone outside the beltway of Hollywood elitism. Puuuuuuhlenty! We wouldn&#039;t be having this discussion if television was as cool as it thinks it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not confuse quality of camera equipment with quality of content or originality. I see PUHlenty of &#8216;professional&#8217; TV commercials that suck eggs, puhlenty of &#8216;professional&#8217; stuff that is boring, lackluster and out of touch with anyone outside the beltway of Hollywood elitism. Puuuuuuhlenty! We wouldn&#8217;t be having this discussion if television was as cool as it thinks it is.</p>
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		<title>By: jischinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>jischinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - &quot;But my question remains: Can the best kind of web 2.0 video dude make a reliably entertaining series of content that carries enough of a brand message that it sticks (but the video doesn’t suck), or drives some type of measurable audience buy or intent to buy on a tight budget?&quot;

No, but what you guys, and I mean the industry in general not you personally, need to do is grab those people, like Nalts and like Geico did with Artie and make them look better. Soften those hard edges and use professional equiptment. What you are seeing on youtube with all the wanna bees are their screen tests. Find the product that fits thier personality and audience and then if they deliver for you, give them their 15 minutes and pay them well :)

There are so many studies going on now in regards to the familiar, I don&#039;t know how the industry could miss this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; &#8220;But my question remains: Can the best kind of web 2.0 video dude make a reliably entertaining series of content that carries enough of a brand message that it sticks (but the video doesn’t suck), or drives some type of measurable audience buy or intent to buy on a tight budget?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but what you guys, and I mean the industry in general not you personally, need to do is grab those people, like Nalts and like Geico did with Artie and make them look better. Soften those hard edges and use professional equiptment. What you are seeing on youtube with all the wanna bees are their screen tests. Find the product that fits thier personality and audience and then if they deliver for you, give them their 15 minutes and pay them well <img src='http://willvideoforfood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are so many studies going on now in regards to the familiar, I don&#8217;t know how the industry could miss this one&#8230;</p>
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